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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:46 am    Post subject: ONGOING CHANGES: LOVELLS UPGRADES FOR 200 SERIES! Reply with quote

WOW, AND BIG NEWS TO ME! JUST HAPPENED THREE HOURS AGO!! THIS HAS THE WHOLE INDUSTRY REELING...

MORE AS I HAVE IT, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS CHANGED THEIR MIND AND THERE WILL BE NO MORE LOVELLS TOWING CAPACITY INCREASE !!! AS OF JUST THIS MORNING !!!


More as I have it.. Lovells is reeling and so are we here at Bushtracker. All the existing Landcruisers with the Lovells increase are Grandfathered in. They would have had to be, but WOW THIS IS HUGE NEWS... Don't lose sight yet, there would HAVE to be a Legal Challenge on this for them to just change their minds..

I will add to this when I have more... Trying to look after you, Steven Gibbs, Director.. Shocked Confused Exclamation [/b]


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the best three things I can tell you right now:

1) Go see SCD for the NISSAN TITAN !
2) Go see SCD for the NISSAN TITAN !
3) Go see SCD for the NISSAN TITAN !


They also have a 2016 200 Series GX, loaded, Bull Bar, side rails, tow bar and more, 22,000 kms, that has the Lovells Tow Capacity increase... It might not last the morning!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From another site:

It's National.

No more BTC upgrades anywhere.

Applies from the 1st June.

Existing upgrades are OK.



I'm waiting on that site to present a link.
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Sounds like the resale value of my upgraded LC200 just went thru the roof!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add a little more to the intrigue. I found this on the project 200 web page.

https://www.project200.com.au/gvm-upgrade/

Important Update:

As of 5th June 2018, the Federal Dept of Infrastructure (Vehicle Standards), has issued a new circular which prohibits SSM approval of Braked Towing Capacity (BTC) increases, and -depending on interpretation- also notional GCM increases.

Anyone contemplating such increases should contact their engineering signatory and/or state vehicle standards department for clarification of the situation.

This page will be updated as more information becomes available.

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I may be wrong here but delving a little deeper into Federal Gov Transport website it would appear that the previous Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 is being replaced by the Road Vehicle Standards Bill 2018 And there is a 12 month transitional period in which eg vehicle modifiers like Lovell’s are required to be reapproved. Seems recalls are a big part and also importers like those converting LHD vehicles. Caravan manufacturers building more than 4 vans per year are also mentioned.

Road Vehicle Standards Bill 2018

112. It is important to note that not all modifications prior to the vehicle being provided to a consumer are a contravention of this Bill. For example:

Registered Automotive Workshops are allowed to complete modifications on a vehicle before it is provided for the first time in Australia to the extent it is required by the entry pathway or allowed by the Rules.

Dealers for type approved vehicles may be able to modify a vehicle prior to providing a consumer with the vehicle, so long as the modification is consistent with the type approval.

Second stage manufacturers may be able to modify a vehicle if they hold a type approval for the second stage.

Link:

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6032

ROAD VEHICLE STANDARDS (CONSEQUENTIAL AND TRANSITIONAL PROVISIONS) BILL 2018

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http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/ems/r6035_ems_8bb28e49-eaf9-4c8c-86c7-8a35dca0227a/upload_pdf/661947.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.4wdcouncil.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Circular-0-4-6-GVM-upgrade-final.pdf

See para 10.6.
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Does this retrospectively apply? and if not how do you verify that?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Dirt wrote:
Does this retrospectively apply? and if not how do you verify that?


First part, no Red Dirt, they can almost NEVER make things like this retrospectively apply, as it is "Grandfathered In" and there would be no end to Lawsuits to reimburse people that invested in it when it was legal..

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Now, there is hope, but you would have to hurry. This morning this link was sent to me, that sounds like it says you can still get it until the end of June.???. Now it is worth a bit of investigation to see if it is possible, but it sounds like they may have a window of opportunity before it is final... Make the call..

https://mr4x4.com.au/no-gcm-upgrades-new-vehicles/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=GCM+upgrades+have+been+banned&utm_campaign=PC+Newsletter+%23214
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Guys,
latest information from the authorities - issued Jun 29, 2018.

This update clarifies clause 10.6 requirements for recently issued Administrator’s Circular 0-4-6 (Issue 4, June 2018).

Circular 0-4-6 was amended to include arrangements for SSM Light Vehicles that have been subject to a Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM) upgrade under Clause 10.

The guidance provided by the Circular 0-4-6 applies to Light Vehicles that includes NA (GVM up to 3.5 tonnes) and NB1 (GVM over 3.5 tonnes and up to 4.5 tonnes) category vehicles.

The revised circular applies to new applications and new amendments to existing Identification Plate Approvals (IPAs). The Circular will not affect the existing IPAs held by the second stage manufacturers. Existing IPA holders can continue to supply to the market vehicles covered by the approved Road Vehicle Descriptors (RVDs). This includes vehicles where the approved RVD has variants that exceed the first stage manufacturer’s Gross Combination Mass (GCM) rating or Rated Towing Capacity or Maximum Braked Towing Mass rating. The second stage manufacturers need to ensure that the current approved RVDs should refer to the current approved RVDs for the first stage manufacturer.

The option of GCM or towing capacity upgrade may be available to consumers in some State/Territory jurisdictions, after the vehicle is supplied to the market.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Mike Davidson,
Head of Lovells

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Dear Authorised Dealers, Production Facilities, Dealerships and Fleet clients,

Contrary to social media and competitors’ spin, Lovells wish to confirm the following which was uploaded to the RVCS website (Federal Dept of Transport and Infrastructure) on Friday 29th June (Note: paragraphs highlighted by Lovells for clarity).

We confirm that there is no change to existing SSM Approvals. Any vehicles (as stated in current SSM Approvals and as noted on current RVDs) can still be plated with GVM Upgrades and Towing Capacity Upgrades (BTC upgrades) under the approved RVD. Thus Lovells SSM Approved kits can continue to be supplied.

The implementation of Administrator’s Circular 0-4-6 is effective for all future IPA Approvals. That is, any SSM Approvals applied for beyond the current valid and active SSM Approvals.

Lovells GVM/GCM/Towing Capacity or variants of these modifications remain 100% legal in all States and Territories for all vehicles in service/previously modified.

Lovells GVM/GCM/Towing Capacity or variants of these modifications remain 100% legal in all States and Territories for all vehicles when modified prior to first registration (Federal Compliance).

Lovells GVM/GCM/Towing Capacity or variants of these modifications remain 100% legal in all States and Territories, other than Queensland, for all vehicles when modified after first registration/in service vehicles (State Compliance). State based GCM modifications are governed by the State Authority and their individual Type Approvals or Modification Codes.

Lovells GVM/GCM/Towing modifications have always been legal and we have always strived to ensure compliance with the Federal, State and Territory Regulators.

The whole point of GVM/GCM/towing upgrades is to ensure the ongoing compliance and safety of vehicles and occupants when carrying/towing heavy loads and thus ensuring the safety of other road users.

Despite false reports in some forums, competitor press releases and industry news pages, safety is not an issue. SSM Approval holders can attest to and advise categorically that there is no evidence of any safety issues, accidents or fatalities due to or related to any GVM/GCM/Towing Upgrade.

Unfortunately, all of the SSM Approval Holders who nominate a revised GCM and/or Towing Capacity increase will be affected by these changes in the future, as will any road user who wishes to tow a caravan, boat, horse float etc.

In Summary
• PRE REGO there is no change in plating vehicles with GVM & Towing Upgrades. GCM as defined by the SSM manufacturer
• POST REGO vehicles can be plated with GVM upgrade. The Towing and GCM upgrade would be supported and approved via State Authorities and state based signatories.

• The implementation of 0-4-6 is for all future SSM approvals


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what did all that fuss and disruption achieve?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loki of Condor wrote:
So what did all that fuss and disruption achieve?


If I'm not mistaken there will be no additional approvals for GCM upgrades approved federally....but those already approved will continue to be okay.

If I'm understanding it properly, that means if you own an older model 200 series (for example) you will still be able to get it uprated as before, but if you buy next years model (for example) you won't be able to do so.....but you will still be able to get the GVM upgraded before first being registered.

But....I could be completely wrong on all counts....it's bloody confusing for sure.

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Latest Update from Lovells... Courtesy of Bushtracker's notice

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STATEMENT ON GCM REVISION IN QUEENSLAND
On the 21st August 2018, the Queensland Government overturned Queensland Department of Transport and Main Road’s decision to release new Vehicle Modification Codes (LS11 and LS15), which were due for release to the industry on the 4th September 2018.
Changes in these Modification codes included the banning of:
• Towing Capacity Upgrades on in-service vehicles
• axle capacity increases on in-service vehicles
• GVM Upgrades on in-service vehicles which had previously been upgraded by another jurisdiction/State and/or brand,
• GVM Upgrades on in-service vehicles which had previously had active SSM Approvals, which are no longer manufactured (eg. Nissan Patrol Y61 and Toyota Hilux KUN125/126).

The Government will now not introduce these planned regulation changes on 4 September, but is not backing down from its position of not allowing GCM (Gross Combined Mass) revision on in-service vehicles.
While GCM revision is still legally available on brand new vehicles in Queensland (and all States) and legal/recognised on in-service vehicles for all other States except NT, towing upgrades will remain of virtually no use in Queensland because the Government will not allow an increase in the GCM (combined weight of the vehicle and its trailer).

Despite the Premier’s assurances on the morning of 21 August that the Government would absolutely reject any changes that disadvantage Queensland drivers, they are already enforcing a disadvantage.
TMR Queensland have advised that their stance on GCM revision will be discussed and reviewed in due course.

Meantime, at a Federal level, Lovells wish to confirm the following which was uploaded to the RVCS website (Federal Dept of Transport and Infrastructure) on 3rd August 2018.

Of note in this, which is listed at the following (https://infrastructure.gov.au/…/rvcu-2018-August-issue-3.as…)
Administrator's Circular 0-4-6 (Issue 4 June 2018)
Administrator's Circular 0-4-6 (Certification of vehicles which have undergone a second stage of manufacture) was amended in June 2018 following industry consultation. The circular was amended to include arrangements for Second Stage Manufacture (SSM) Light Vehicles that have been subject to a Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM) upgrade under Clause 10—and formalise current business practice for GVM upgrades to light vehicles.
Of note:
• The guidance provided by the Circular 0-4-6 applies to NA (GVM up to 3.5 tonnes) and NB1 (GVM over 3.5 tonnes and up to 4.5 tonnes) category vehicles.
• The revised circular only applies to new applications and new amendments to existing Identification Plate Approvals (IPAs).
• The Circular will not affect the existing IPAs held by the second stage manufacturers. Existing IPA holders can continue to supply (to the market) vehicles covered by the approved Road Vehicle Descriptors (RVDs). This includes vehicles where the approved RVD has variants that exceed the first stage manufacturer's Gross Combination Mass (GCM) rating or Rated Towing Capacity or Maximum Braked Towing Mass rating. The second stage manufacturers need to ensure that the current approved RVDs refer to the current approved RVDs for the first stage manufacturer.
• The option of GCM or towing capacity upgrade may be available to consumers in some state and territory jurisdictions, after the vehicle is supplied to the market.

NO CHANGES TO EXISTING SSM APPROVALS
In conclusion, we confirm that there is no change to existing SSM Approvals. Any vehicles (as stated in current SSM Approvals and as noted on current RVDs) can still be plated with GVM Upgrades and Towing Capacity Upgrades (BTC upgrades) under the approved RVD. Thus Lovells SSM Approved kits can continue to be supplied.
The implementation of Administrator’s Circular 0-4-6 is effective for all future IPA Approvals. That is, any SSM Approvals applied for beyond the current valid and active SSM Approvals.
Lovells GVM/GCM/Towing Capacity or variants of these modifications remain 100% legal in all States and Territories for all vehicles in-service/previously modified.

Lovells GVM/GCM/Towing Capacity or variants of these modifications remain 100% legal in all States and Territories for all vehicles when modified prior to first registration (Federal Compliance).
Lovells GVM/GCM/Towing Capacity or variants of these modifications remain 100% legal in all States and Territories, other than Queensland and NT, for all vehicles when modified after first registration/in service vehicles (State Compliance). State based GCM modifications are governed by the State Authority and their individual Type Approvals or Modification Codes.
Lovells GVM/GCM/Towing modifications have always been legal and we have always strived to ensure compliance with the Federal, State and Territory Regulators.
The whole point of GVM/GCM/towing upgrades is to ensure the ongoing compliance and safety of vehicles and occupants when carrying/towing heavy loads and thus ensuring the safety of other road users.
Despite false reports in some forums and competitor press releases, safety is not an issue. SSM Approval holders can attest to and advise categorically that there is no evidence of any safety issues, accidents or fatalities due to or related to any GVM/GCM/Towing Upgrade.

IN SUMMARY
• PRE REGO there is no change in plating vehicles with GVM & Towing Upgrades. GCM as defined by the SSM manufacturer
• POST REGO vehicles can be plated with GVM upgrade. The Towing and GCM upgrade would be supported and approved via State Authorities and state based signatories.
• The implementation of 0-4-6 is for all future SSM approvals


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I contacted Lovell’s and there is an issue with registered vehicles seeking GVM, BTC, GCM upgrades. The issue is that the upgrades (registered vehicles) is available in all states except Queensland.

I contacted Queensland TMR and spoke to Peter who said registered vehicles cannot have the upgrades. He also said that a vehicle registered in NSW or Victoria with post registration upgrades cannot have their registration transferred to Queensland.

The impact for me is that I have a 2 year old 200 Series Landcruiser (with bar & winch) and cannot get the GVM, BTC, GCM upgrades because I live in Queensland. If I want these I will need to trade my 200 for a new one, have the upgrades then get it registered. To remain in Queensland it will cost me $60,000. Thanks QLD TMR.

This has been the case for some time in Queensland and I just don’t know where to go as my wife does not want the Ram, etc... and we are looking to purchase a new 20ft BT for our retirement.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short answer for you...

At 20'? You do not need the Ram... Keep your 200 Series!!

We would have maybe 500 20' Bushtrackers travelling with the Stock Standard 200 Series just fine....

20' is well within the range so no worries...

And one more thing "Nifty 07"

Welcome to Forum, Post Number 1 !!!

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Steve, visiting you Tuesday and will discuss as Qld TMR won’t allow me to get a GVM, BTC, GCM upgrade on my registered 200 series. The 200 has a bar, winch, etc and with the ball weight I need the GVM 3800 upgrade. This restricts the van to max of 3000 unless I can get the BTC 4000 and GCM 7800 upgrades. As I am registered in QLD this is not lawful because of QLD TMR rules.

If I was registered in NSW or Vic this is no problem. I don’t know why Queensland registered vehicles are being discriminated and not treated the same as other states in that regard.

My only option in Queensland is to get a new 200, fit the upgrades then register the vehicle. If I was in another state the upgrades are lawful to existing registered cars.

We want to get our new retirement van and now I find we will need to find another $60,000 to replace the tug with exactly the same vehicle. I am not sure if our retirement budget will stretch that far so you can understand my position and frustration with Q TMR.

I just wish my first post was a testimony with our shiny new retirement 20 footer beside a creek in some remote location.
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Hello Nifty07,

You will not see me on Tuesday, my Staff will take good care of you though. I am on Holiday on a yacht up in the Whitsundays beach combing and all the rest.

Now here is a little hope for you. This situation is because you have really loaded up your 200 Series, hey I am with you on that. Now major Companies like Lovells, are battling and this will probably be resolved before you could get your Bushtracker anyway. Queensland and NT are putting forth a case that they are be unfairly prejudiced by this "Selective Enforcement" as it is legal in the other States.. I do think it will be resolved.

Secondly, the 200 Series is not considered or applicable as a Commercial Vehicle and I have not heard yet of GCM enforcement. The 200 Series did not even have a GCM posted until recently. You only have the problem because you have loaded up the Cruiser and that has reduced this perceived GCM. To date I have not heard of it being enforced in non-commercial vehicles. Now they could, yes. But I have not seen or heard of it... It is only widely enforced in commercial vehicles. Also, as soon as you stop you jump out to see what they want, and again they do not put you on a portable scale with you in the car either. That strict GCM enforcement is only for commercial vehicles that are called off on the big interstate weigh bridges.

So yes, technically it is possible, but right now not widely done. I mean more Bushtrackers would get hit with lightning than pranged on GCM. Maximum Manufacturers tow capacity YES, 3500 kg is enforced. But I have never seen them do the GCM as the 200 Series does not even qualify for a commercial vehicle tax status. Now, I cannot tell you that it could not happen, as it is technically possible, but I have not seen or met anyone that has had it done. If they started doing GCM on non-commercial vehicle half of them do not even have a GCM and the rest would be pulled off the road with a big Public Protest..

You also have a fall back position, in that you could Register your vehicle and van in another State. You are mobile, retired, a Friend can take care of your Registration mail, and technically you are travelling all States and You have the right to nominate where your home (Bushtracker) resides... This problem is only N.T. and Qld. right now.

Anyway, I would expect this to be resolved by the time you could get a Bushtracker. Right now, as usual, we are Booked out about 8-9 months and are Booking Deliveries for April...

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Thank you, Andrew is organising things and we hope to be taking our first trip in July so all is on track.

I saw (and have dash cam footage) of the vans with purple lights and police doing RBT and they had a pop top van on the scales. This was both East and Western directions (two teams) of the road between Jandowie and Toowoomba on 24 July 2018 and they had multiple lanes to the side of the road. I do not know if they were auctioning or enforcing weights.

In any case it is important for me to be under all limits to be safe.

I did not know BT’s float. Enjoy your holiday in some of the best areas of the country.
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Nifty,

Two things FYI: They are commonly weighing odd vans that look too big for the tow vehicle at the State line with portable weigh scales.. But that portable road side stop is used for the vans or only rarely for what looks to be an overloaded tow vehicle. Non-commercial vehicles are not signaled off to the big Interstate Weighbridges. I used to compete horses, raising my 2 Daughters in the NRHA, competing from Queensland to Victoria, so I have been through my share of stops and a lot of road time for 15 years of that. I used to be on the road going somewhere with horses about every two weeks, a lot of road time, Rig Junkie stuff...

Now FYI as to floating BT, my Wife and I have been doing yachting since about 1979. Even Bushtracker was at first "Land Yachts for the Outback"... That style is why our Bushtrackers specialize in self-sufficiency. Now our last trip through three States and two months in Tasmania, has shown that She cannot walk very far so we have to change gears. To see the Sydney Hobart boats in Hobart, I had to take her down to the docks in a wheelchair. The Outback is all about walking. Maybe eventual spinal surgery techniques will improve enough to fix her, but for now we are back with the yachts. My 23' Bushtracker and Dodge Ram Dually are sitting at home... Hmmm

We will meet up one day Nifty. I will be back running the Shop again in about two months...

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Steve,
You made me look and you are spot on. There is no BTC or GCM plated on my 2016 Landcruiser. There is a plate with GVM 03350 and the tow bar has max download 350 and 3500 breaked. There is nothing in the service book to assist and the owners manual tells me torque settings but is silent on weights. Checked the Toyota web site and they have published weights (kerb 2740, GVM 3350, roof load) but again no BTC or GCM. ignorance to the law is no excuse but this is going to be difficult to prove in court as the information is not available. It’s no wonder there is so much confusion out there.

I had to give up the boat as I have lower back disk issues which displace the nerve and understand the pain. There comes a time where age/health checks us all. My wife and I have worked and it’s time to enjoy our retirement. We have always wanted a new BT with the mission to enjoy.

Thank you for the phone call and answering my questions.

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Here is the current situation in Queensland pertaining to GVM, BTM and GCM upgrades. Please note that I have the written documents where I nominated policy.

In short - Queensland TMR will now recognise GVM & BTM upgrades for 'ín-service' (registered) vehicles where there is an existing RVCS approval.


The long story is below.



Queensland Government Media Statement:
http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2018/8/21/statement-on-the-use-of-trailers-in-queensland

Media Statements
Minister for Transport and Main Roads
The Honourable Mark Bailey
Tuesday, August 21, 2018

Statement on the use of trailers in Queensland

The Palaszczuk Government has made no changes to trailer towing rules in Queensland.
These trailer towing rule changes are set by the Federal Government.
The federal changes will not come into effect next month in Queensland.
I will be raising all issues presented to me by stakeholders with my federal colleagues.
Safety is of course our highest priority, but the Palaszczuk Government will absolutely reject any changes that unnecessarily disadvantage Queensland drivers or our wider state economy.


The relevance of 10.6 is stated in the ‘Clarification of amendment to Circular 0-4-6’ https://infrastructure.gov.au/vehicles/imports/new.aspx.

Clarification of amendment to Circular 0-4-6
This update clarifies clause 10.6 requirements for recently issued Administrator’s Circular 0-4-6 (Issue 4, June 2018).
Circular 0-4-6 was amended to include arrangements for SSM Light Vehicles that have been subject to a Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM) upgrade under Clause 10.
The guidance provided by the Circular 0-4-6 applies to Light Vehicles that includes NA (GVM up to 3.5 tonnes) and NB1 (GVM over 3.5 tonnes and up to 4.5 tonnes) category vehicles.
The revised circular applies to new applications and new amendments to existing Identification Plate Approvals (IPAs). The Circular will not affect the existing IPAs held by the second stage manufacturers. Existing IPA holders can continue to supply to the market vehicles covered by the approved Road Vehicle Descriptors (RVDs). This includes vehicles where the approved RVD has variants that exceed the first stage manufacturer’s Gross Combination Mass (GCM) rating or Rated Towing Capacity or Maximum Braked Towing Mass rating. The second stage manufacturers need to ensure that the current approved RVDs should refer to the current approved RVDs for the first stage manufacturer.
The option of GCM or towing capacity upgrade may be available to consumers in some State/Territory jurisdictions, after the vehicle is supplied to the market.

ENDS
Media contact: Dominic Geiger, 0447355565


The published Clarification of amendment to Circular 0-4-6 must be read in conjunction with the Administration Circular 0-4-6. The clarification states ‘The Circular will not affect the existing IPAs held by the second stage manufacturers. Existing IPA holders can continue to supply to the market vehicles covered by the approved Road Vehicle Descriptors (RVDs)’. If there is an existing SSM approval held by a Second Stage Manufacturer (SSM) the approval will be published on the RVCS web site. Paragraph 10.6 of the Administration Circular 0-4-6 falls within the clarification ‘will not affect existing IPAs’ and ‘existing IPA holders can continue to supply to the market vehicles covered by the approved Road Vehicle Descriptors’. Under these circumstances the Second Stage Manufacturer can supply to the market vehicle upgrades covered by the approvals published on the RVCS web site.


Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule - Definitions and Vehicle Categories) 2005

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C00487/Html/Text#_Toc450896115

MANUFACTURER - the name of the person or company who accepts responsibility for compliance with the Australian Design Rules and to whom the ‘Compliance Plate’ approval certificate is issued.

GROSS COMBINATION MASS - value specified for the vehicle by the ‘Manufacturer’ as being the maximum of the sum of the ‘Gross Vehicle Mass’ of the drawing vehicle plus the sum of the ‘Axle Loads’ of any vehicle capable of being drawn as a trailer.

GROSS TRAILER MASS (GTM) - the mass transmitted to the ground by the ‘Axle’ or ‘Axles’ of the trailer when coupled to a drawing vehicle and carrying its maximum load approximately uniformly distributed over the load bearing area, and at which compliance with the appropriate Australian Design Rules has been or can be established.

GROSS VEHICLE MASS (GVM) - the maximum laden mass of a motor vehicle as specified by the ‘Manufacturer’.


The ADR definition indicates the manufacturer who accepts responsibility for compliance with the ADR , in this case the Second Stage Manufacturer is the ‘Manufacturer’ who have an approved SSM RVCS and to whom the compliance plate approval certificate is issued. This approval is for GVM and in some cases the Axel Loads of any vehicle capable of being drawn as a trailer (BTC) upgrades subject of the published approval. The ADR definition for Gross Combination Mass (GCM) is the value specified for the vehicle by the ‘Manufacturer’ as being the maximum of the sum of the Gross Vehicle Mass of the drawing vehicle plus the Axle Loads of any vehicle capable of being drawn as a trailer. The definitions indicate the approved GVM and BTC can be used by the ‘Manufacturer’ to set the values and in this case the GCM is, by the ADR definition, the GVM (including ball weight) plus the Axle Loads of the trailer (BTC minus ball weight). The manufacturer under the definition is the Second Stage Manufacturer of the approval, refer to the DIRDC policy below.

Queensland TMR policy extract dated 3 September 2018:
[The RVCS published approval] is recognised in Queensland for modifications for in-service vehicles, and the GVM and Maximum Towing Mass (Braked Trailer) can be increased accordingly for relevant vehicles.

The Federal body, the Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development and Cities (DIRDC), policy extract dated 30 August 2017:
Manufacturer is the person or company responsible for any modifications made to the base vehicle in relation to the SSM IPA Approval.

GCM should then be determined as no greater than the sum of Rated Towing Capacity and GVM. Where an IPA has been approved for GVM increase as well as in some cases increased Rated Towing Capacity (braked trailer), GCM is a consequence of the modifications done under that approval and as such does not constitute an approval in its own right. GCM does not appear on approvals issued by the Department.

As changes made under the IPA will affect the GCM. GCM would also be subject to concepts such as ‘fit for purpose’ under legislation other than the Motor Vehicle Standards Act and this should be taken into consideration by the manufacturer.



How to check:
1. Ask your supplier for the SSM published RVCS approval number and link;
Check here: http://rvcs.dotars.gov.au/pls/wwws/pubrvcs.Notify_Search
2. Check to make sure the SSM IPA approval has not been superseded on the above RVCS web site; and,
3. If unable to find the above information email: rvcs@dotars.gov.au or call RVCS held desk: (02) 6274 7766.

If there is an existing RVCS approval and it has not been superseded then Queensland TMR will recognise the upgrade for ín-service’(registered) vehicles.

Unfortunately Queensland TMR is the only state that will not recognise the Second Stage Manufacturer’s GCM value for approved upgrades which is clearly not consistent with the policy of the Federal body (refer to DIRDC policy above), the Australian Design Rules, DIRDC’s published Clarification to Administration Circular 0-4-6, is not consistent with all other states and is not consistent with the media statement published by the Minister for Transport and Main Roads, the Honourable Mark Bailey.


If this affects you:
1. Make a complaint to Queensland Transport and Main Roads
Here: https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/About-us/Contact-us/Compliments-and-complaints.aspx
2. Contact your local member and make a complaint
3. Contact the Minister for Transport and Main Roads, the Honourable Mark Bailey and make a complaint
Email: transportandmainroads@ministerial.qld.gov.au

If TMR delay their response or you are not satisfied with their response (ie they won’t recognise the approved upgrade):
4. Make a complaint to the Ombudsman
Here: https://www.ombudsman.qld.gov.au/make-a-complaint/makecomplaint
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just had my 2016 Landcruiser 200 Series GVM, BTM and GCM upgrades.

Took the documents to Queensland TMR and the registration certificate has been updated.




Seems like there is no differentiation between pre and post registration.

I can feel a BT coming on!!!!!
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"Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has comprehensively slapped down Transport Minister Mark Bailey on the controversial 4WD towing laws that he was trying to stealthily push through.
Realising the political implications of getting grey nomads offside, the Premier intervened to ensure a backdown by the hapless minister. Caught out, Bailey then tried to shift the blame to Canberra and said it was a federal issue.
Federal MP Andrew Laming is now pushing to have every person unfairly captured in the minister's "solo flight" to be refunded their fines. "They shouldn't be subjected to court... we don't want this becoming a lawyers picnic," Laming said.
Queenslanders have invested heavily in their caravans, trailers and off-road vehicles and the attack on them by Bailey was in poor form.
He wouldn't even meet or communicate with the industry before trying to ram through the new laws. Full marks to the Premier for calling this out."
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If you travel in Queensland and you are loaded to your GVM be aware that TMR rule is that the GCM remains as per OEM. You have to de-rate your BTM to maintain the original GCM. Assume your GVM is 3800 which includes ball weight.

GCM 6850 - GVM 3800 = Revised BTM 3050. So your revised BTM in Queensland is now 3050 even if you have the BTM upgrade of 4t. If your caravan weighs more than 3050 you run the risk of being put off the road and fined. See the newspaper clip in the above post.

Greatly appreciate any tips on how to keep the BT under 3050kgs!

Sucks to be in the smart state.

https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/-/media/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Vehicle-standards/Vehicle-standards-instructions/QCOPv3.pdf?la=en#page58

5.2 Gross Combination Mass Rating & Towing Capacity
This code does not permit an increase in rated towing capacity or GCM rating (unless in accordance with an SSM approval). For some light vehicles rated towing capacity or GCM rating may not be specified. In such cases please note that the maximum towing mass at GVM must be proportionately reduced to ensure that the sum of GVM and maximum towing mass at GVM before and after GVM upgrade remains unchanged.


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Look Nifty, this is just my personal observation, going interstate to Shows competing horses, Shows and travel with Bushtracker: This is my opinion and observation, not legal terms from a Qld HVRAS Officer (I am).. There is a grey area just not enforced and:

I have never seen GCM enforced yet on non-commercial Landcruiser 100 Series or 200 Series wagon type vehicles...

I mean by the "letter of the Law" you could fine everyone running an American truck for instance, that was over 4500 kg, for not running a Log Book: But it does not happen... In Australia there is a grey area they just do not enforce.

For Landcruiser, I have not yet heard of any GCM enforcement on non-commercial wagon type vehicles. The only enforcement has been GVM and the legal towing limit of 3500 kg. Landcruisers do not get pulled off on Interstate Weigh Bridges. I have not yet ever heard of GCM enforcement, from Law Enforcement, or Insurance Companies.. Only on Commercial vehicles..

By example here is the extreme on grey area non-enforcement: Even on Dual Rear Wheel Dodge Rams, Fords, and Chevrolets, I have taken them down to the Police Department and asked about the 0.0 no alcohol enforcement, at least four times in 15 years with all of the above. Their answer is that it is not enforced unless you are towing Commercially. I have not ever had a Log Book requested either. Not towing they say they consider it a Private Vehicle. Now this is an extreme example, and I would not trust this 0.0 alcohol State Wide, just using it as an example, but: There are grey areas of enforcement that are not enforced, and GCM on normal Landcruiser 200 Series towing has not been enforced to my knowledge. I mean you are more likely to be hit by lightening. GVM, yes, maximum towing capacity by the Manufacturer, Yes... But not GCM on Landcruiser 200 Series, never seen it anywhere....

I have gone Interstate with big gooseneck horsefloats, and "Medium Rigid" trucks, and yes then you get pulled off on weigh bridges. But never with Landcruiser... In My Opinion, I think they are just too busy, and it would cause great Public discord as so many could be pulled off. I have been told repeatedly: "Only on Commercial vehicles"...

I mean even single rear wheel SRW trucks over 4500 kg GVM, on paper could require "Medium Rigid Licenses" and Log Books, but again I have been driving them for 20 years over many States, and it is not enforced. It is more of that grey area.

PS: If you drive a Dually, do not drink. It IS technically a no alcohol vehicle. A smart Barrister in a serious accident could dig this up in a Court setting and get a Ruling against you regardless of fault. You would have to use Testimony from the Police Department as your Defence, and while I would go that way, it is better just to stay 0.0 in a DRW (Dual Rear Wheel).. I mean technically any SRW American truck over 4500 GVM is also a 0.0 alcohol vehicle, and again Breath Analyzed over 20 years, it has not been enforced.. However, do not drink and drive is my advice..

Kind regards, Steve


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Latest from Lovells: GVM approval to 4000 kg for 200 Series

Lovells are pleased to announce that we have been granted Federal Compliance Approval as a Second Stage Manufacturer for the 4,000kg GVM (Gross Vehicle Mass) Upgrade of the TOYOTA LANDCRUISER LC200 WAGON.

(CPA 40257/46734)

The Lovells PLATINUM SERIES GVM Upgrade kit comes with an option of four (4) designs of coil springs for greater load/ride quality flexibility and our World famous 46mm bore Mono-Tube shock absorbers.

Platinum Series shock absorbers feature threaded height adjustable struts and a 4 year/100,000km warranty. Our Platinum Series shock absorbers have been developed and utilised by our Middle East and USA armoured vehicle clients for the past 8 years with brilliant success.

Lovells are the only GVM Upgrade SSM FULL VOLUME Approval holder to offer full certification of ESC/ESP system compliance at full GVM.

Lovells GVM Upgrade Kits provide the solution for owners/managers of Toyota Landcruiser LC200 Series vehicles who have a need to carry loads to a GVM of 4000kg (up from 3300/3350kg standard GVM), while at the same time meeting the practical and documentary compliance requirements of Work Safety, Police Licensing, Insurance, Lessor’s and Fleet Managers.
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Hi Stephen, what is your best contact email please.
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